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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 25, 2010 4:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: favorite Scarlet-Fires

No doubt this one's been brought up before, but would anyone care to recommend their favorite Scarlet-Fires(s)? I'm partial to 81-83 but open to all years.

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Poster: csaw44 Date: Oct 25, 2010 9:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1983-06-18.senn421.wise.miller.103285.flac16

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1984-07-13.beyerm160.quirk.perez.31989.sbeok.flac16
(Touch of Grey sandwich)

BUT!!..... my all-time fav......

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1978-04-11.sbd.miller.108666.flac16

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Oct 26, 2010 8:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

5/8/77 has a certain resonance for me that I can't explain. I have to admit, part of it was the purely objective element that I was looking for an extended length tune/combo that would fit an 8:15 running pace and the Barton Hall show fits perfectly. Whenever I started to struggle with the wall during a marathon, I'd fast forward to 5/8/77 and just slip away into the song. 25 minutes and three miles later I was through the wall.

But I gotta tell you, the 11/1/79 whirlwind called out is superb and is going to get road tested soon.

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Poster: high flow Date: Oct 25, 2010 11:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

Mosque

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Oct 26, 2010 11:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

05-08-1977
10-02-1977
02-05-1978
09-02-1978
10-10-1980
10-19-1981
07-31-1982
06-18-1983
09-08-1983
04-20-1984
12-28-1986
07-08-1987
07-07-1989
03-22-1990
09-14-1990
09-04-1991
10-01-1994

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 26, 2010 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

much obliged. you guys will keep me busy for a while.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Oct 25, 2010 4:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

Due to the fact that I'm allergic to anything that was performed post '81, I naturally prefer stand alone Scarlets. But I guess that 2/5/78 might be the best pairing of the two. That or the performance at Giants Stadium on 9/2/78. Neither of which I seem to be able to listen to without breaking out in hives...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1978-09-02.sbd.miller.106818.flac16

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Oct 25, 2010 4:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

My first show 1981 March- the Garden floor was bouncing up and down from all the sound and energy and crazyness that night- a very nice slow paced Scarlet Begonias with some cool Brent opening licks that just rolls headlong into a smooth Fire On The Mountian for the ages.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-03-10.sbd-set2.miller.91764.flac16

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 25, 2010 5:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

Though I missed this awesome show - stupidly "had" to drive back to Boston to go to work after the brilliance of 03/09/1981 - I know exactly what you mean about the Garden floor. It dances. Thanks for the rec.

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Poster: Reade Date: Oct 25, 2010 5:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

2/5/78 (already mentioned) and
4/13/83. This one never gets mentioned when favorite S>F's get discussed and I'll never know why. I've loved it since first hearng a crude AUD of it back in '84. Jer takes a never ending solo on Scarlet that is spot on.
http://www.archive.org/details/gd83-04-13.sbd.sacks.1614.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 26, 2010 9:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: more cowbell

I'm with ya on the Pat Gym show - more cowbell

I also like this one from austin

http://www.archive.org/details/gd82-07-31.sbd.miller.31002.sbeok.flacf

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Poster: Reade Date: Oct 26, 2010 3:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: more cowbell indeed

Absolutely. Couldn't agree more. This Austin one is not only a keeper but a far more pleasing recording than Pat Gym.
OK, so we're on the same page. Try this one.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1985-06-16.sbd-pcm.miller.79021.sbeok.flac16

This solo is (again) very fluid and unforced, flowing like a ranbow out of Jerry's rig. And, my favorite thing on a good Scarlet solo, it just WONT stop!
The boys tag along faithfully, nipping at Jerry's heels like a litter of playful pups. Sweet. And the bridge jam over to FOTM is also fine.

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Oct 25, 2010 5:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

There are so many great versions. A personal favorite is the 30 min one from 9/1/79

http://www.archive.org/details/gd79-09-01.aud.10363.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Oct 25, 2010 4:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

Our old favorite 5/8/77 with the 2 verse Fire clocks in at 25+ minutes. Probably about 10 minutes longer than any prior versions. This is the one that moves me most and I never get tired of listening to.

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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: Oct 25, 2010 4:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

4/3/82 (was front row for that one)

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Oct 25, 2010 5:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

Yeah, but where the F is Phil in this? He isn't even audible in the SBD.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Oct 25, 2010 5:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

I too was in the front row for that Scope show.

Not to sound like an ingrate, but that remaster is not one of Miller's greatest achievements. Calling that file a soundboard might be a bit of a stretch? Perhaps a sketchy '82 AUD with poor quality soundboard patches?

Sorry Charlie :)

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Oct 25, 2010 5:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

Charlie:4/3/82 Front Row - You lucky dog...
Wow! What a show! The most unique sounding show I've ever been to; its like there was a single underlying theme threading its way through every song in the 2nd set.

& for the 47,000th or so time, thanks again for your sharing spirit. May God Bless You & Yours,

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Poster: utopian Date: Oct 25, 2010 7:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

04-08-78
11-30-79

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Oct 25, 2010 8:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

I believe this is the last one they ever played:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd95-06-21.naks.5971.sbeok.shnf

It's almost 29 minutes. Too synth-y and tinkly for my tastes but I guess it has its historical significance.


TOOTMO

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Oct 25, 2010 4:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

Of the ones That I saw live I like the pre-coma ones best:
4/3/82 AND 4/13/84 (mickey on Talking Drum):Tie for 1st
11/30/80 2nd place
7/1/85 3rd...

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Oct 25, 2010 8:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

I usually prefer a stand-alone 'Scarlet' to a Scarlet->Fire... but this Scarlet->Fire is the best:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd77-05-13.sbd.miller.9393.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Oct 25, 2010 9:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

Nice call, SC. I'm partial to 5-13-77 as well. It's often the one I go to. The 'combo concept' of that pairing was still quite fresh, and it shows in the playing. . . . plus the soundboard / radio mix captures that nice presence and warmth of the intimate Auditorium Theatre.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Oct 25, 2010 9:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

Yes, another Chicago Show fan! :) Up until some clown dumps a beer in the soundboard during 'Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad,' this is one of the the tightest shows of '77, I like it better than the famous Barton Hall, even. In fact, the Chicago show and English Town (AKA Dick's Picks 15) are my favorite '77 shows. The first Jack-A-Roe, and the best, a 'glittering' Friend Of The Devil, and the aforementioned Scarlet Fire make Chicago one awesome show... the Estimated isn't shabby either.

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Oct 25, 2010 9:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

My other favorite show from that run is St. Paul 5-11-77

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1977-05-11.sbd.miller.83196.flac16

The venue was nearly 4 X that of the Auditorium (15,000 vs 4,000), but the sound in that old hockey arena was pretty clear with a nice mix from where I was sitting, and the band seemed more relaxed in St. Paul - relaxed, yet the playing is just as tight. If you've not heard this show yet, and since you are such an ardent fan of the Auditorium show, you owe it to yourself to have a nice sit down with this one. The Sugaree gets way out there, and from Uncle John's Band through Brokedown Palace is probably one of my most listened to segments of live Dead - a nice positive vibe, fairly chilled out for being the ending segment of the show, but that matters not as the music has a nice flow. That sequence has always been a favorite in the car.

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Oct 26, 2010 12:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

That looks good, DP... I'll check it out soonest. :)

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 26, 2010 9:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

Also 5/17/77 is a beautiful one. Something about May of '77 ... !

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Poster: Dhamma1 Date: Oct 25, 2010 5:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

The Best of the Grateful Dead Project
http://gratefuldeadprojects.com/
recommended these (you'll have to get the URLs by browsing):

5/8/77 - Barton Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY - SBD; AUD
4/24/78 - Horton Field House, IL. Univ., Normal, IL - SBD
9/2/78 - Giants Stadium, East Rutherford, NJ - SBD; AUD
2/3/79 - Market Square Arena, Indianapolis, IN - AUD
11/1/79 - Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum, Uniondale, NY - SBD
2/27/81 - Uptown Theatre, Chicago, IL - AUD
7/31/82 - Manor Downs, Austin, TX - SBD
4/23/83 - Veterans Memorial Coliseum, New Haven, CT - SBD
6/18/83 - Saratoga Performing Arts Center, Saratoga, NY - AUD (Set 2)
3/22/90 - Copps Coliseum, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada - AUD


Others are also discussed there:
http://gratefuldeadprojects.com/Scarlet_Begonias_Fire.html

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 25, 2010 5:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

Thank you, all and especially thank you, Dhamma1, for that list & link. Due to insane obsessiveness, I most likely already have the shows, but needed some pointers on what to listen to. many, many thanks.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Oct 26, 2010 5:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

This was recently mentioned on this board:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd79-02-03.set2-nak.clugston.7116.sbeok.shnf

Really amazing, it blew me away the first time I heard it. It's got some pretty transcendent guitar work from Garcia.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 27, 2010 9:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

Jerry's solo on Scarlet Begonias is off the charts - thank you very much for this one

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Oct 25, 2010 4:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

i really like these two>> 1979's 30+min monster from nassau http://www.archive.org/details/gd1979-11-01.sbd-repatched.miller.77363.sbeok.flac16 and this on from spain 81"http://www.archive.org/details/gd1981-10-19.sbd.miller.95781.sbeok.flac16 both great shows inmo.enjoy!! fenario :)

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Oct 26, 2010 7:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

Good call on 11/1/79 Chris. Are you going to Hulaween at the Coliseum Friday or Saturday?

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 25, 2010 7:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

1981-10-19 - whoo-boy! An instant favorite of mine, now, thanks!

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 25, 2010 8:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

Also an astounding Spanish Jam (natch) > TOO, and so many other highlights ... only downside for me is that my copy, at least, is too heavy on Brent in the mix, particularly at the start. But definitely one of my early 80s favorites, both the Scarlet-Fire and the whole show!

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Poster: BataviaSparky Date: Oct 25, 2010 9:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

Whirlwind, I was not aware of that 81 show and WOW! Scarlet jam is fan-friggin-unbelieva-mous-ness-tastically-boo-yeah-yum-boy-r-dee-woo-wee-hiYA-tight-tigHT-tiGHT-tIGHT-TIGHT.
Thanks, I owes ya one!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 25, 2010 6:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

Just to be contrary and prevent era abuse , 10 - 14 - 94

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1994-10-14.sbd.miller.79167.sbeok.flac16

Start @ Fire

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 25, 2010 6:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

That's cool, I will check it out, and if you can think of any later ones with a lot of midi, I would love to know about them. Thanks!

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Poster: tim_oz Date: Oct 25, 2010 7:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

I believe the 3/22/90 version mentioned in The Best of the Grateful Dead Project list is a nice example of the 90s MIDI explorations. This is a tight, fluid, and joyous version, although personally I'm not sure it reaches the face-melting peaks of other versions.

I probably need to give them another listen, but I've never been overly enamored with 9/2/78 or 10/14/94. Talking about 10/14/94, I was first discovering the Dead around this time, and was reading a lot of posts at the rec.music.gdead newsgroup. I recall when the 10/14/94 show occurred and the flurry of activity on the newsgroup with the setlist coming up, then people's reviews and comments to the effect that
this was THE Scarlet>Fire.

As for myself, I'm very partial to some of the classics like
5/8/77, which is exquisite, with improvisation that almost appears to be composed; 2/5/78 also works for me - lots of
jamming, and Jerry is clearly out there.

A sentimental favourite of mine is 9/13/93. While I had heard some of the albums, the 2nd set of this show was the very first Dead tape I listened to in the first batch of tapes I received. There was something magical about hearing the buoyant chords as Scarlet began that drew me in, and I'm still here. I wouldn't call this an all time version however it is interesting for Jerry's 93 acoustic style tone, which doesn't seem very popular. Personally I like his use of this tone here in Scarlet, which seems to give it a light and lilting feel that matches the bouncy, joyful playing. The transition is relatively short but well-played, then the Fire also plays out nicely, if not a totally incendiary version.

This post was modified by tim_oz on 2010-10-26 02:17:14

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 25, 2010 8:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

>was reading a lot of posts at the rec.music.gdead newsgroup. I recall when the 10/14/94 show occurred and the flurry of activity on the newsgroup with the setlist coming up,

Wow. I barely even knew there was an internet then. You were a heck of an early adapter. Seems like DHs as a whole were, too. Not counting me, LOL.

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Poster: tim_oz Date: Oct 25, 2010 9:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires


Early adapter sounds good, although I think it was more a case of having access to it - I started university in 1994 and they had net access, which I dove straight into. Sometime after we got access at home, but I can't recall which year that was (another Deadhead trait heh)

It is interesting to consider how Dead culture has disseminated through the internet, and how Deadheads have certainly jumped on any new technology (the shift from tapes to digital, recording equipment etc.) It's also interesting that the band are the same - from the beginning they have explored various technological avenues in the pursuit of their muse.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 25, 2010 10:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

>It's also interesting that the band are the same - from the beginning they have explored various technological avenues in the pursuit of their muse.

Which is kinda funny, given how I think of them as having such a natural sound, even raw (in a good way), and how that's a lot of what I value about the band. But definitely true, when you learn more about what they were doing musically/technologically. Sometimes with good results, sometimes not so good. The later-years midi stuff mostly sounds rather soulless to me, and dated in a way that older stuff doesn't, oddly. Maybe that's cuz they were struggling with the sound in general at that point, so the tech stuff ends up sounding to me like musical Clearasil Cover-up Cream. Whereas earlier, the tech experimentation seemed more integrated. Just IMO, from someone with very non-techie ears!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 26, 2010 8:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

"... so the tech stuff ends up sounding to me like musical Clearasil Cover-up Cream.'
A potential classic line .
C'mon AR , it isn't atrocious all the time .
Right ?

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Oct 26, 2010 9:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

Oh, I'm sure it's not. And that's more of a general impression, anyway, cuz I haven't listened to a lot of 90s. When I do and it jumps out at me, though, it doesn't tend to be in a good way ... but having non-techie ears, I may not notice half the time. That's probably when it works :-)

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Oct 26, 2010 9:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires - to Midi or not

"... so the tech stuff ends up sounding to me like musical Clearasil Cover-up Cream."

AR, what a great description of that midi-music-malady - you often have an interesting turn of a phrase in your posts. When listening to shows, and I hear that Midi, that damn midi, enter the musical spectrum, I usually skip around to another tune, or more often, reach for an early 70's show to sooth my violated ears.

Like any new toy or addictive object, it can be misused and overused/abused. Don't get me wrong, I love electronic music, and technical toys in music (i.e. Bill Frisell, the master at looping is one of my musical gods). And midi - when used well - can be an amazing tool. Midi was/is a fantastic invention, but all too often, it is used so poorly that it detracts from it's purpose. Jerry was such an inventive, creative guitarist that when i hear him switch over, it almost always comes off, to me, as a cop out. If you want a flute in Bird Song, bring in someone like Charles Lloyd . . . Midi in the Dead always, to me, came off like switching to Decaf after years of rich espresso or Turkish style . . . why???

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Oct 25, 2010 7:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

no , no no please don't listen to that .... Sorry ;-)
I tried to delete , but alas too late .

This is one I would rec.,

http://www.archive.org/details/gd91-08-16.sbd.17011.sbeok.flac

The first three . The transition from Victim to Fire is a must .

edit - The PITB reprise , beginning at 4:50 in Space , is worth it .



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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Oct 25, 2010 7:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

The only Victim I ever liked was a week and a half ago when I heard John Kadlecik play it acoustic in front of about 150 of us. It has no business in the middle of a Scarlet/Fire.

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Poster: BataviaSparky Date: Oct 25, 2010 8:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires (Victim!)

The acoustic version here on you tube makes me love this tune even more (we talkin' Victim's here)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xgD2AljtYI

Why is there so much dislike on here for later-era Dead? I frigging LOVE "Victim Or The Crime" from the first time I ever heard it played- at Deer Creek (I believe it may have been the first time played)

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Poster: Jim F Date: Oct 26, 2010 2:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires (Victim!)

I don't really like later era GD at all-there are exceptions but I rarely go out of the 70's-and I love Victim or the Crime. For me the moment the song clicked was at a Ratdog show, 3/22/02. Wasserman scared the hell out of me that night, he was so good. I dunno if that show is on the archive, if it is, def check it out. Victim opens the second set with just Bob, Rob, and Jay. It's really really cool. Great show all around (especially the jam that opens the show), except for interrupting Dark Star with Tanquerey. I loved the LEGEND Johnnie Johnson but sometimes his constant presence at St. Louis Ratdog shows didn't quite click.

Anyway point is not only do I not care much for the way the Dead sounded in that era, but I also don't care for much of any of the "new" material of the 80's and especially 90's. But I'm a Victim fan for life. I remember some years back I was pushing for a local GD tribute band I used to bum around with to start playing it. One night I arrived late to their weekly Tuesday show that I was at every week, they were a few songs into the first set. When they saw me walk in they said "Jim's here, let's do it now!" I didn't know what to think or what they were going to do to me, then they started Victim. I'd never been so happy to hear a later era GD song in my life. Well actually I used to get pretty excited when they'd do Little Light, too, which is odd as I'm not a Brent guy. It was Phil and Friends that REALLY sold me on Little Light, Warren used to just kill that song.

Oh, yeah, Scarlet>Fire. I dunno, I don't really listen to that tandem much these days. I always thought 5/17/77 was a really underrated version, along with 4/11/78. There are better versions, of course, but thought I'd mention some more "obscure" versions.

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Oct 25, 2010 11:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires (Victim!)

Count me as one of those late 40's who actually likes Victim AND Picasso Moon, for the same reason the band did: it made them play something crunchy and weird and difficult. I don't hear them all that much, because I mostly listen to earlier shows, and because those songs didn't always (often?) succeed live, but what's a heaven for?

Any recommendations for versions of either of those?

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Poster: Crystal Evans Date: Oct 26, 2010 4:55am
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Poster: Edsel Date: Oct 25, 2010 7:32pm
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I like the way this one goes...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1979-02-10.set2.sbd.miller.97352.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Oct 25, 2010 8:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite Scarlet-Fires

I don't know. Keith playing a rolling piano across the melody, instead of an organ in sync with the melody is more my cup of tea. Keith sounds like a zombie on this.